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Meet Evan McMullin, the Candidate of Choice for Frustrated Christians

Alan Noble

Alan Noble
October 24, 2016

Evan McMullin’s popularity has only increased, especially among Mormons and evangelicals. I am one of those evangelicals.

Sharon Choate
October 24, 2016

What about covering the American Solidarity Party Modeled after the Christian Democrats in Europe. They are pro-life for life. Michael Maturen of Harrison Michigan is their candidate. Their motto "Common Good, Common Ground, Common Sense." Maturen is a qualified write in candidate in all but I believe 5 states, and may be qualified in all states before the election.

Aja
October 24, 2016

One who votes for this person who doesn't have a chance to win the election now is just giving another vote to Hillary. That is the sad, but plain reality. If the purpose of voting is to make oneself feel "righteous" I guess you should vote for him or some other third party candidate whom you think conforms perfectly to your standards. But if the purpose of voting is to accomplish SOME good at least, Or to prevent greater evil in the present, then you need to swallow your pride and self righteousness and vote for a candidate that can do that and has a chance of winning. That would be Trump.

Andrew M
October 24, 2016

Clay Shirky has written an excellent counter-argument to this line of thinking - https://medium.com/@cshirky/theres-no-such-thing-as-a-protest-vote-c2fdacabd704

In the election you have only three choices:

A. I prefer Donald Trump be President, rather than Hillary Clinton.
B. I prefer Hillary Clinton be President, rather than Donald Trump.
C. Whatever everybody else decides is OK with me.

Voting for Evan McMullen is option C.

Nathan Lee
October 24, 2016

This election had been a real struggle for me. On one hand I understand the argument that a vote for a third party is a vote for Hillary, but on the other hand, I REALLY don't want to vote for Trump. I love the option of McMullen. For me, it will come down to where each of them (Hillary and Trump) are in the polls, especially in my state of Michigan. Unfortunately, Michigan almost always votes democrat, so my non-democrat vote does not count. That makes my vote for McMullen much easier.

KevinJ
October 24, 2016

As people of God we should be driven by more than craven political calculations. At this point, seeing how a majority of Evangelicals are likely to vote for Trump, we've already lost. We've lost our credibility and our witness. We've shown we fear Hilary Clinton more than we trust God. We've decided we'll take our chances with Herod over Caesar. We will have ZERO credibility with the world. Why would they listen to anything we have to say about ethics or morality if we choose Evil A over Evil B. I don't think I'll even listen anymore. November 9th will be a sad day, but it won't be because Hilary Clinton is (most likely) president-elect. It will be because we told God we were afraid so we hid behind Donald. We told society all those things we said we cared about...we really didn't...we're just mad and afraid. We have a chance to vote for what we claim we believe in...just think if we all actually did it?

Mark Jenkins
October 24, 2016

I understand many of the comments, however which is better? To vote based on your beliefs and lose or to vote contrary to your beliefs and win... it's a perplexing dilemma. Yes, support of a third party candidate may swing the vote to one main party or the other in any given election. Choosing political expediency over beliefs is what has brought us to this point in the first place. Voting for the "lesser of two evils" only perpetuates the current cycle. True, there may not be the votes to break the cycle this time but if we always do what we've always done, we will always get what we've always gotten. That is guaranteed.

Dennis Miller
October 24, 2016

If you are not in a swing state, if you are in a state where the Repubs or Dems have it locked in, then the argument that "to not vote for Trump is a vote for Hillary" is invalid. My state (Oregon) is solidly in the Dem camp and will undoubtedly go to Hillary. So I don't even have to consider this argument. Since my vote will definitely not make a difference, I'm free to vote for someone else and send both parties a message that they need to do better in the future.

I would also like to ask... back in 1996 in regards to Bill Clinton's re-election many Repubs were saying "Character Matters." I believe this phrase was even brought up in the debates. Where are all those people now? Apparently character doesn't matter anymore.

Caleb Smith
October 24, 2016

In Reply to Aja (comment #29388)
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No good can be accomplished, nor evil be prevented, by voting for Trump. And the real purpose of voting is just a glorified poll.

Caleb Smith
October 24, 2016

I have a serious problem with the fact that McMullin supports the detestable, inexcusable, indefensible war on Yemen. Maybe he just doesn't understand, which I can't count against him morally, but it seems indicative of a dangerous bent in foreign policy and in any case involves supporting an absolute atrocity. I understand a McMullin vote and prefer it to selling our souls to Trump or Clinton, but if I'm voting third party it will be for the American Solidarity Party and Mike Maturen.

MarkS
October 25, 2016

In Reply to KevinJ (comment #29392)
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Very encouraging thoughts. Thank you.

Alan Noble
October 25, 2016

In Reply to Andrew M (comment #29389)
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There are many reasons why you should choose not to vote for a major candidate: http://www.vox.com/2016/6/7/11868028/evangelicals-nevertrump

Alan Noble
October 25, 2016

In Reply to Caleb Smith (comment #29396)
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I can understand and appreciate a vote for Maturen. McMullin's foreign policy does not seem to be the hawkish neocon philosophy that some are making out, I don't think. His focus is upon addressing genocide and violence against civilians.

Since part of my goal is to help push for change in conservative politics, supporting a candidate with significant support is important to me. If Maturen were to get significantly more support and infrastructure, I could consider voting for him.

Andrew M
October 25, 2016

As long as Christians think their role is simply or primarily to vote for a government which reflects their 'values', Christians will have no witness because they have delegated their role a Christians to building a kingdom on earth.

Instead, we are called to be salt and light in every aspect of our lives. That is our witness.

As for the vote, my view is that Trump is so egregiously bad and unqualified, it's worth having Clinton to not have him. Yes, she's a liar but so am I. Unlike me, however, she knows how to be President.

Leah
October 26, 2016

In Reply to KevinJ (comment #29392)
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Well. Said. I'm considering copying your comments to my Facebook wall, but then I think, "Why?" Everyone has made up their minds. They are mad and afraid and hysterical about the Supreme Court. Anyway, thanks for saying it!

Scott DeVries
October 27, 2016

I was taught that the point of democracy is not winning or losing, but having a voice. That is why McMullin is a clear choice to me. And the argument that that is a vote for Clinton is silly. 1st because a vote for McMullin is obviously a vote for McMullin. 2nd because Clinton fits slightly better with Christian values than Trump anyhow - although the emphasis there is certainly on the word slightly!

Andrew M
November 1, 2016

Scott, can I suggest an alternate example to clarify the problem of the third choice?

Choices for making money:
1. Get a job
2. Start a business
3. Get adopted by a billionaire

Option 3 would be really, really great. Wishing it was a genuine option, however, does not make it so. Worse, it prevents you from making a sensible decision between the only real choices - options 1 & 2.

Scott DeVries
November 2, 2016

Andrew, interesting analogy, but it actually makes my point. McMullin, or a third party candidate, can get in just as easily as a major party if the people get to work and vote their consciences. The problem is actually that most people voting for Trump (and, in a different way, those voting for Clinton) are voting for option 3. Maybe this rich guy will bail us out of our mess. Or, maybe this powerful woman. It is actually the third party and independent candidates that are providing opportunities to do #1 & #2. If we stand up against the major party candidates then we send a clear message; We the people are still taking responsibility for this nation - we do not need the rich and powerful to take over and rescue us. We the people are capable and in control. In Utah people are sending that message, and Clinton and Trump are beginning to hear it. The more people that send that message, the better.

Bill Wald
November 2, 2016

Anyone who is a major party candidate at the national level has already sold out. The same international corporations own both parties. Simplest voting system is vote against anyone already in office and against anything that raises taxes even if it sounds good. Why? Because the Devil is in the details.

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