Discussing
Paris, terror and what to say when it all comes down

Roger Nelson

Roger Nelson
November 15, 2015

Even in the wake of the terrorist attacks on Paris, the hope of the Gospel is that human history will end in God's shalom.

Doug Vande Griend
November 16, 2015

Responding to: "I don’t know what to say to Christian brothers and sisters who would turn back refugees fleeing the same horror and ramp up massive bombing campaigns that would bring more innocent death."

It would not be brothers and sisters who would make the decision to turn back refugees, but rather the US government's, whose task is quite different than that of individuals, Christian or otherwise, and subject to a logic appropriate to its task.

It might be that government could best respond to its God given mandate by establishing, by use of deadly force (after all, it should not wield the sword on vain) to establish a safe haven for those displaced -- in the middle east --, or to work with the King of Jordan, providing him resources and supporting his use of deadly force, or do a number of other things instead of taking in tens of thousands of refugees that can't really be vetted, that didn't really choose to come here, and that aren't prepared to acclimate to a culture that is beyond foreign to what they are used to.

We live in the here but not yet, not the world after this, which means we have to be careful about advocating that government lay down that which God has given it to properly use -- that being the power to threaten with death and kill. I have a hard time imagining that this is not a circumstance where government rightly uses its God granted authority to kill, in order to carry out its given responsibility.

So maybe one might say to Christian brothers and sisters that they pray for wisdom for those government officials who will decide the particulars of how government will use its rightful authority to kill, in order that justice be done.

TimF
November 20, 2015

"There is little suggestion in Scripture that life is meant for our comfort" - beautifully put. We are to comfort those who need comforting, but we are not to expect - or even desire - comfort for comfort's sake.

Sistersharon
November 22, 2015

All I can say to this tragic event is that the world needs a lot of prayers. I truly believe that the whole planted felt this terrible raft it made me cry and think on how the lord said in the last days there will be wars and rumors of wars. As for the refugees we need to keep them in prayer especially the innocents ones that are fleeing away, and running for their own lives it is a terrible thing when you know that you are running for your life and have know where to go I can't even bring my self to think about being in a horrific situation like that we as a people just need to pray for healing and safety of those that are innocent and caught up in a dilemma of unexpected turmoil.

Andrew Steele
March 25, 2017

"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

This, it seems obvious to me, is calling for those who yearn to breathe free. This call is for those who seek to escape the failed civilizations from which they originate. They are expected to reject the totalitarianism of their current plight and build new lives.

They are to accept the mores and values of the United States and pledge and respect her laws and standards.

Only, only, only if these "huddled masses" come with this spirit, should they be admitted.

I do not observe that.

My President, Congress, and Judicial servants of the people must protect us against the enemies of our country.

I long for these called "wretched refuse" to be privileged to come, hear the Gospel message, and be adjudicated by the nobleness of our law, but they must be vetted to protect our nation.

If they are allowed to rush our shores, i fear our lamp stand will be removed.

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