April 9, 2008
I'm interested in number 5. I really believe that EVERYONE wants more preaching or exposition of the Bible. Not using scripture as a pretext to talk about child-rearing, real success or the pop psychology masquerading as relevant messaging. <br><br>Here's my question though. Can someone define what is meant as contemporary worship? As opposed to what? Is the author referring to the kinds of songs sung or an over-produced contemporary music style or the repetition of choruses? What should we return to? My aging parents (70s & 80s) prefer traditional evangelical music. But by that they mean The Old Rugged Cross, Power In The Blood, Just As I Am, I Surrender All and other standards of 30 to 50 years ago with a gospel piano, an organ and a 4 man quartet or George Beverly Shea. Please don't tell me that's what is meant. What faith tradition is this author speaking from?
You'd probably have to ask Trevin himself about his faith tradition. <br><br>Usually when the 'contemporary' vs. 'traditional' debate is brought up it focuses on two things:<br><br>1. Hymns v. Praise choruses (older standby songs that have withstood the test of time v. newer songs)<br>2. Instruments used. Namely the debate between pianos/organs and rock instruments like guitars.<br><br>Again, I'd affirm that--for the most part--this is a non-issue in most churches nowadays.
When he says that 20 somethings want the liturgy and tradition I'm not sure what he means. I have three 20 somethings and they are not craving the liturgy, vestments and tradition. He also mentions that the author indicts evangelicalism. I don't buy the comments about the liturgy and tradition. I do know they want more Bible taught. My comments about music relate to Trevin's statement on his website. ie;<br><br> "I am glad that Wuthnowâ€™s research backs up what I found to be true in my own congregation. The younger adults are not heavily invested in the so-called â€œworship warsâ€ between contemporary and traditional music. Younger adults want church to â€œfeel like churchâ€ and are more likely than the most elderly segment of the congregation to prefer liturgy and tradition. So much ink is spilled on the newest music style, when the younger generation is often more concerned about the preaching of the Word."<br><br>This author is a Sociologist from Princeton. The book is published by Princeton, not noted for it's hospitality to evangelicals. I am interested to read but would want to read critically knowing his background. I notice on <a href="http://Amazon.com" rel="nofollow">Amazon.com</a> several reviews from Catholics, New Age authors, emergent church leaders and the president of Fuller. Interesting. I'll have to read.
I wrote a post, deleted it thinking 'nah that's not worth contributing' but now I'm writing something again... all based on point #2. I am really fascinated and frustrated by the idea that early marriage = greater maturity, and a that late marriage = a lack of maturity. <br><br>At first I read this, wrote my response, then checked Wax's website for the longer response and realized it was a pragmatic statement and that since most young adults leave the church during college years they come back with marriage and kids. Later marriages is lowering this rate and so we are losing people in the churches. I can understand that even if I find that comment about 'marrying early' overly pragmatic and problematic. <br><br>However, he then goes on to write 'Our youth need to be brought up with the mindset that marrying at a young age is not only not necessarily irresponsible, but ideal.' Which prompts two thoughts.<br><br> 1) Since when is pushing marriage before people are ready a good thing? Our present divorce rate certainly doesn't seem to show alot of promise in this ground. I think ideal is when the people are ready, sure let's help foster maturity in youth... but I've yet to meet a pastor who didn't think that was important.<br><br> 2) How long will terms that once applied to teenagers apply to progressively older ages of people? I still get classified in the category of Young Adult (presently 28 been married 5 years) simply because I'm in my 20s and have yet to pop out a child. Yet that same word was used to describe me when I was 15... perhaps we need other words or perhaps we need the old generation to recognize us as adults without qualifying adjectives.
<blockquote>Young adults are not interested in the â€˜worship warsâ€™. Theyâ€™re interested in liturgy, tradition and the preaching of the Bible.</blockquote><br>I don't know anyone, much less young adults, interested in liturgy and tradition. On the contrary, I know many people who are repelled and anti-tradition and mindless ritual.<br><br>Amen to good music and worship, amen to well reasoned arguments, amen to unity love and morals etc. but let's not forget the actual commission:<br><br><b>Just preach the Gospel!</b><br><br>Creatively reveal the Bad News so that you can preach the Good News - it's something powerful and life changing if it's communicated properly and people don't get tired of hearing it because in this life nobody completely understands it. As the pennies drop, lives change.
As I have a twenty something in graduate school I've had an opportunity to observe that there are benefits on both sides. She is single living alone and going to school, which takes up most of her time. She still loves God and Jesus, but at this time doesn't really have the time to sit in a pew on Sunday. So, we don't say anything, but encourage her to go when she can. We don't ignore the subject, just gently remind her that God loves her and loves to see her too. For those who are young and married, we have been married for over 37 years and when we were young it was hard to sit in a pew. I worked full time and went to college full time, but it didn't keep me from talking to him everyday. It also didn't keep the ones around me from telling me how much he loves me. So, to the point, it doesn't matter if they sit in the pews or just sit. It is up to us to remind them how much he loves them all and when they are tired and sitting alone, they are never really alone. He stands next to us to give us comfort and strength whenever we need it. Remind them that they only have to ask and he will run to them in love and peace. In God's Grace John
liturgy? are you serious? young people want to be bored by religious rituals? they don't want rockin music? and you say amen to that?<br><br>the unchurched? that word makes me puke in my mouth a bit.<br><br>the rest i pretty much agree with. we need to reach out to this group very much, it seems that after kids graduate high school they go into the world and nobody cares about them anymore so they fall away. they need to be discipled.
7. Churches need to stop looking at people as demographics. We cease to be a diverse body of Christ when we split everyone up into groups with people 'like them.' <br><br>Despite the words of Paul and others about the virtues of being single, churches focus heavily on the concept of the so-called traditional family, so much so, that single young adults often feel out of place. Saying that young adults needs to get married sooner so they'll come back to church misses the point. Churches need to do a better job of being family. I know a lot, and I mean a lot, of young adults postponing marriage because of their vision of what God wants to do with their life in the immediate future...and that's a bad thing?<br><br>Call it doctrine of whatever. I'll call it substance. Our church has been preaching from the Bible the past few years, wrestling with hard passages at times. We don't always have easy answers, and sometimes we have hard questions. Our church has grown a lot since then.
I agree with these. I'm a recently married 24 year old and one of the biggest desires my wife and I have is to hear more doctrine and less lifestyle teaching in church (and we're not 'churchies' in the traditional sense, we just really want to understand more about our faith).<br>I think we've lost the message that living for God costs something, we're making it too easy in the western church. We hand out salvation in the form of a simple prayer and then go on to reassure the newly 'saved' person that they are now in the family of God, without telling them that salvation is not just a moment in time, but something that has to be lived to even be real. I think this is one of the greatest heresies of the modern church; the most important doctrine we have - the doctrine of salvation - has been skewed beyond recognition. Off topic I know, just something that's been on my mind...
Doctrine and teaching ... absolutely!<br><br>And you call it "worship wars" but let's just lump it into one big category: young adults don't want to "play church" anymore ... they want a real encounter with the Living God ...<br><br>Thanks for this,<br>-Cristy S.<br><a>http://www.wisdombeyondyears.com</a><br>Online Community for Young Christian Leaders
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