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Voting for God’s Kingdom

John C. Nugent

John C. Nugent
August 22, 2016

We don’t do the world or God any favors by pretending that nations can be Christian and then hold them to our standards.

Andrew Shields
August 23, 2016

I think I understand and agree with the majority of these points.

I think that personal discernment is an important component of voting well. Choosing a moral but not a pharisaical leader is important. (I define a pharisaical leader as one who does not practice what they preach and imposes unrealistic law upon the people.)
(I define moral as fruits of the spirit, love of God and neighbor)

Big government also has great challenges in being according to the kingdom.

Few early readers of the bible were in a position to choose their civil leaders, so this is a hard topic.

John Nugent
August 23, 2016

This is a bit simplistic, but I think it gets to the heart of the problem:

God looked at the nations and said, "I can't use them to carry and convey my redemptive purpose." So he formed Israel.

Israel said, "We want to be just like the nations," and tried their best.

That project crumbled under the weight of its inadequacies. So God dismantled it and reshaped his people according to his original purpose, which [skipping a lot of really important stuff] eventually resulted in the church.

Then the church said, "Hmmm, I bet we could better accomplish God's purpose for us if we used the nations."

Cornelia Cree
August 24, 2016

The US Constitution is based on the involvement of the citizens to make it work properly. Consequently it is a duty we have to make Godly decisions about how our government is run. Almost no other nations have this option. Most other citizens of other nations have no bill of rights or stable constitution. Many of these rights have been legislated away by men that we have put in office through carelessness; lacking oversight they have turned a Godly nation into an ungodly one. Will God hold us accountable? Of course.

Dyencich
August 24, 2016

In Reply to Cornelia Cree (comment #28844)
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Voting is a freedom, not a duty. The moment that it becomes a duty is the moment it ceases to be a freedom. Also, I am not sure by what metric America can be said to have ever been a "Godly" nation. By all biblical accounts, the only "Godly" nations that ever existed were biblical Israel and the diasporan church.

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